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On 25 Aug 1998 20:10:08 -0800, "Lee"  wrote:
>How do I create a newsgroup? How and do I have to register it and how do
>get it on the net? Please help email me at lee @ amouse.net thanks.

I think the guide will answer all those questions. If not feel free to call on me. If you are only interested in an alt. newsgroup just ignore the part that does not apply.
Regards, Eugene A. Calame <eacalame @ flash.net>

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Guides for Creating Newsgroups
Index:
Guide for Creating a Big Eight or Local Newsgroup
Guide for Creating an alt.newsgroup

Greetings,
The guides below should answer most, if not all, of your questions
about newsgroup creation. The heart of the guide is the standard
FAQ's and where they can be found. The guides attempts to fill in
spots where the FAQ's are vague.
The alt. And, so called, big eight newsgroups, are international in
scope. They should not be used if the subject is of local interest
only. An example, of a local newsgroup, would be a newsgroup about
the lakes near Austin, Texas. Such a newsgroup should be created under
the austin.* hierarchy.
Alt. newsgroups are simple to create and require only that you place a
proposal in the newsgroup alt.config for critique. After that, and
you have considered all valid comments, you can send the
control.newgroup control post to create the group. The second guide
pasted below covers the creation of an alt. newsgroup in detail.
A proposed big eight newsgroup must complete a process of review,
discussion, (RFD or Request for Discussion), and voting. (CFV or Call
for Votes.) The process is long. Usually three months or more.
The process is started by sending an outline, of your proposed
newsgroup, to group-mentors @ acpub.duke.edu. A proposed new
newsgroup must gather one hundred yes votes more than no votes and
the yes votes must be two thirds, of the total votes. The process is
run by appointed mentors. The process, with examples, are thoroughly
covered in the FAQ's listed in the guide and requires no further
explanation.
The reward for following the more involved big eight process is
assured distribution of your newsgroup worldwide. The alt. newsgroup
may, or may not, be accepted by Usenet news servers.
Local, regional and national newsgroup hierarchies have their own
requirements and must be contacted for those requirements.
Please keep in mind that once the newsgroup is created the group is
not yours. It is in the public domain and you have little, or no,
real control over it.
There are no charges for creating a newsgroup. Nor do you have to
provide any software or storage space on your computer.
=============================================
Guide for Creating a Big Eight or Local Newsgroup
Revised 1 May 1998
Creating newsgroups for the comp., humanities., misc., news., rec.,
sci., soc. or talk. hierarchies, the big eight, is somewhat
complicated but has mentors to guide you through the process.
A proposed big eight newsgroup must complete a process of review,
discussion, (RFD or Request for Discussion), and voting. (CFV or Call
for Votes.) The process is long. Usually three months or more.
The process is started by sending an outline, of your proposed
newsgroup, to group-mentors @ acpub.duke.edu. A proposed new newsgroup
must gather one hundred yes votes more than no votes and the yes
votes must be two thirds, of the total votes. The process is run by
appointed mentors. The process, with examples, are thoroughly covered
in the FAQ's listed in the guide and requires no further explanation.
For information on starting a big eight newsgroup read the following
documents.
http://cs1.presby.edu/~jtbell/usenet/newgroup/
http://cs1.presby.edu/~jtbell/usenet/newgroup/how-submit.faq
http://cs1.presby.edu/~jtbell/usenet/newgroup/good-proposal.faq
http://www.faqs.org/usenet/alt/naming.html
For information on starting a moderated newsgroup read the following
documents.
http://www.swcp.com/~dmckeon/mod-faq.html
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/news/moderated-ng-faq
For information on starting a local, regional or national hierarchy
newsgroup locate that groups config, or general, newsgroup.
( Example: austin.usenet.config ). I have found that at times you
will not be able to obtain such information from the newsgroups. You
would then contact your ISP and try to obtain such information, or
advice, from the system administrator. After all attempts to obtain
the conventional procedures for creating a newsgroup in the hierarchy
have failed go ahead and sent the newgroup control message. You can
do no harm. The newgroup control message will either be accepted or
rejected by the system administrators. (You may also then receive the
information you were seeking along with other suggestions :-)



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Guide for Creating an alt.newsgroup
Revised 1 May 1997
index:
First things first:
More useful information:
Information for starting a moderated newsgroup:
An Overview:
Creating your newsgroup:
Example newgroup Proposals:
Newsreaders That Will Send a Newgroup Control Message:
Example, newgroup control post; header and body:
Example newgroup Booster:
What Comes After:
Follow Up:

First things first:
Download, print out, make a file, and read the following.(Very important)
http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~barr/alt-creation-guide.html
http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds/usenet/good-newgroup.html

For information on starting a moderated newsgroup read the following documents.
http://www.swcp.com/~dmckeon/mod-faq.html
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/news/moderated-ng-faq

An Overview:
NO ONE can keep you from creating an alt. newsgroup.
NO ONE can make a Internet Service Provider (ISP) carry your group on
their server.
NO ONE can effectively remove your group, except the Internet service
provider, and then only from his server. Most servers automatically
reject rmgroup messages.
There are no charges for creating a newsgroup nor do you have to
provide any software or storage space on your computer.
Creating a successful alt. newsgroup will take about two-weeks.
Distribution over the usenet system, once created, may take as much as
a month or more. (You should see some results within minutes.)
There are no votes needed for alt.* newsgroups. A charter is not
required but you should provide a description of the groups purpose.
A format familiar to system administrators should be used so that they
can quickly determine if it is of interest to their operation. (That
is the purpose of following the format of the template)
Justification for the group should explain why it is needed. A large
mailing list and/or frequent discussion of your newsgroup subject, in
other newsgroups, should be mentioned.
Post supporting your proposal should be sent to your e-mail address.
NOT alt.config. You can summarize the messages of support in the
justification portion of the control message. In your control.newgroup
message you should mention that the newsgroup was proposed and
discussed in alt.config, giving the date (and ideally the Message-ID)
of the proposal. This information should appear early in the message
since many news administrators, will ignore any newgroup messages that
don't mention alt.config in the first page. ( I suggest putting the
information in the comments portion, in the body, and the
summary field of the header.)
The biggest obstacle you will have to overcome is getting the Internet
service provider, systems administrator, to allow your newsgroup on
their server. Good propagation is second, in importance, only to the
proper creation of your newsgroup and is more difficult to obtain. If
your creation is on one or two servers, out of several thousand, your
creation will fail. That is why following the documents (FAQ's),
while writing the proposal, control and booster post, is important.

Creating your newsgroup:
The group you want to create may already exist. Download and check
 ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/config/ (select newsgroups.z). This
will give you a complete list of alt. newsgroups, and hierarchies, in
existence; not necessarily in use. The list will help you name and
place your newsgroup in the proper hierarchy. (very important)
Creating a newsgroup essentially involves three stages. Writing a
proposal which will be posted to alt.config for discussion. Writing a
control.newgroup post which can be the same as the proposal
except it has control: and approved: fields in the header. Writing
booster post after the newsgroup is created. The booster is exactly
the same as the control.newgroup post except at the beginning of the
message, in the body, after a blank line, the word "booster" is
written. Control and booster post are posted to alt.config and the
newsgroup you are creating. (alt.config,alt.group-name)
The best source of information, concerning the creation of an alt.
Newsgroup, is contained in a document titled "How To Write a Good
Newsgroup Message" by Mr. Brian Edmonds. It can be found at URL
http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds/usenet/good-newgroup.html
Pay particular attention to his "must", "should" and "should not"
instructions.
The document by Mr. David Barr is also strongly recommended;
especially the part about newsgroup naming conventions. Naming your
newsgroup is extremely important. Some news servers cannot work with
improperly named newsgroups because of software limitations . It can
be found at the web URL address
http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~barr/alt-creation-guide.html

The Proposal
When you prepare your newsgroup proposal try to keep the discussion of
the proposal too one screen if possible. A long proposal may not be
read. Use the comments, charter and justification sections of the
template example, below, as a guide. Let your proposal stay on
alt.config, for discussion, about a week. There may be suggestions
for changes. Consider the suggestions carefully. If there are no
suggestions you can assume the proposal is acceptable. Then,
incorporating any changes, you deem necessary, send your newgroup
control post.
==sample proposal to be sent to alt.config for critique (template)==
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: [PROPOSAL] alt.the-name-of-your-newsgroup
Comments: Who you are and what your newsgroup is about.
For your newsgroups file:
newsgroup name A few words describing the newsgroup. One line. Do not
run over.
{Follow the format above exactly; copy the first line "For your
newsgroups file: " verbatim, and on the second line give the name of
the newsgroup, followed by one or more spaces followed by a few words
describing the group. Do not run over the end of the line!)
Charter:
The purpose of the charter is to define what topics are (or are not)
appropriate for the newsgroup, and to state any applicable policies of
the newsgroup (for example, no binaries if the group is not a binary
newsgroup.)
Justification of Readership:
Here you should include numerical evidence that there is substantial
online interest in the topic of the newsgroup. If the topic is covered
by an existing newsgroup, mailing list, or other discussion forum, you
should also explain why the existing forum is no longer adequate for
the purpose.
This also applies to creating a specialized subgroup of a more general
newsgroup; you will need to explain why the split is necessary ("we
don't want to use the general group" is not considered an adequate
reason-- only a high volume of traffic in the general group, and/or a
high percentage of that traffic being on this specific sub-topic, is
considered a valid justification for a split).
===end of sample proposal post to alt.config (template)===
The Free Agent Newsreader
(Agent is essentially the same)
To obtain the required headers with Free Agent you must find the
agent.ini file (agent configure with windows 95 or just agent).
Open the file by clicking on the icon and using notepad.
Find the section labeled [message] and then find ShowAllFields=0.
Change ShowAllFields=0 to ShowAllFields=1.
Save and Close the file.
Close and restart Free Agent.
Click Post on the menu.
Click New Usenet Message.
Click message on the menu
Click on All Fields.
The last action will open a new fields box. In this new box you will
find the new control and approved headers. You can scroll the fields
using the buttons on the right side of the box. To enter data in the
control field highlight the control field by clicking on it. Below
the box you will see a box now marked as Value for control. In this
box enter the control data. Click on the highlighted control again
and the data in the value box will be transferred to the highlighted
control field. Repeat the operation for the approved field and all
fields you wish to change in the box.

The Control Message:
Your proposal has been posted and you have finished making any changes
you deemed needed. You are now ready to send your control.newgroup
message to create the newsgroup. Below you will find a sample
(template) that will help you format that message. You will notice
that the body is almost the same as the proposal was. All that is
changed is the comments: section.
 The focus of this section is the formatting of the headers. You must
have Approved: and Control: fields in the header.
==START OF CONTROL.NEWGROUP TEMPLATE======
======braces are for grouping only. Do not use ====
From: {email address of person sending this message}
Newsgroups: alt.config,{alt.name-of-newsgroup-being-created}
Control: newgroup {name of newsgroup being created}
Subject: cmsg newgroup {name of newsgroup being created}
Summary: discussed in alt.config, substantial interest, appropriate
name
Expires: {this should be left empty, in a newgroup message}
Approved: {email address of person sending this message}
Sender: {email address of person or administrator sending this
message}
Follow up-To: poster {follow ups default to emailing you, instead of
posting}
Reply-To: {email address of person requesting creation of the group}
Distribution: {this header should be empty except for a single space
character; especially don't use "Distribution: world"}
Organization: {your organization or institution may be named here}
Keywords: {here you may include keywords related to the topic of the
group}
Cc: {you may specify email addresses to send a copy of this message
to}
(make sure you have a blank line here, between the header, above, and
the body, below)
Comments:
State the dates (e.g. "during 1/96") was discussed in alt.config, and
who you are in relation to the proposal (especially if you aren't the
original proponent). Many news administrators, will ignore any
newgroup messages that don't mention the posting of the proposal to
alt.config. )

For your newsgroups file:
newsgroup name A few words describing the newsgroup. One line. Do not
run over.
{You must follow the format above exactly; copy the first line
verbatim, and on the second line give the name of the newsgroup,
followed by one or more spaces followed by a few words
describing the group. Do not run over the end of the line!)
Charter:
The purpose of the charter is to define what topics are (or are not)
appropriate for the newsgroup, and to state any applicable policies of
the newsgroup (for example, if the group is "retro-moderated", you
should explain the criteria that will be applied by the moderator or
moderation software.
Justification of Readership:
Here you should include numerical evidence that there is substantial
online interest in the topic of the newsgroup. If the topic is covered
by an existing newsgroup, mailing list, or other discussion forum, you
should also explain why the existing forum is no longer adequate for
the purpose.

======END OF CONTROL.NEWGROUP TEMPLATE===
===START OF SAMPLE CONTROL.NEWGROUP MESSAGE====
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.real-estate.aust
Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.real-estate.aust
Control: newgroup alt.real-estate.aust
Followup-To: poster
Approved: wireit @ cyberalink.com.au
Reply-To: wireit @ cyberalink.com.au
Summary: Discussed in alt.config 3/14/98 Message ID
350a0cc1.0 @ cyberalink.com.au
Keywords: real,estate,australia,buy,sell
Comments:
On the 3/14/98 a newgroup suggestion was posted to alt.config,
Message ID 350a0cc1.0 @ cyberalink.com.au
I am the party suggesting this newsgroup to fill a great need.
For your newsgroups file:
alt.real-estate.aust Bringing together buyers & sellers no middle man
Charter:
Appropriate topics are listing for sale by sellers & requests for
purchase for Australian real estate by persons anywhere in the world.
Justification for Readership:
There is a great amount of on line interest in real estate
transactions, as seen by commercial web sites.
Many people would prefer not to expose themselves to professional
sales people, thus this newsgroup should give these people in
Australia & potential international investors, a forum.
===END OF SAMPLE CONTROL.NEWGROUP MESSAGE=======
Cross post your control.newgroup post to alt.config and the group
being creating. Only a comma between the two; no space.
(alt.config,alt.group-name)
 A successful newgroup control post WILL NOT show up in alt.config
even though it was addressed to that group. You will find it in the
CONTROL newsgroup (it may be listed as control.newgroup on your ISP's
server), if the post was successful. There may be 40,000, or more,
post in control so It may be hard to locate. Use your find tool and
If your newsreader has a filter (kill file) you might filter out the
word "cancel" too get rid of most post that are of no interest too
you. Sorting the group by subject can also help. You will have little
trouble finding your control message if your ISP has the
control.newgroup newsgroup.
Every Internet service provider that accepts control.newgroup post
automatically will create your group on that server immediately when
received; or pass the newgroup.control post on to the system
administrator for action.
Always remember; You are addressing systems administrators with your
proposal, control and booster post. They must make quick decisions on
your newsgroup along with many others.

The Booster Messages:
The booster messages are control.newgroup messages.
The only difference you make in the control.newgroup message is to add
the words "booster" in the Summary: and Keywords: fields. Also as the
first words in the body of the control.newgroup body.
There are always new news servers, and system administrators, coming on
line so you should send booster control.newgroup messages from time to
time. I recommend posting a booster about every week for the first
month after your newsgroup is created. Once a month for the next six
months and perhaps once every six months to a year after that.
==START EXAMPLE BOOSTER CONTROL.NEWGROUP MESSAGE===
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.real-estate.aust
Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.real-estate.aust
Control: newgroup alt.real-estate.aust
Followup-To: poster
Approved: wireit @ cyberalink.com.au
Reply-To: wireit @ cyberalink.com.au
Summary: Booster, Discussed in alt.config 3/14/98 Message ID
350a0cc1.0 @ cyberalink.com.au
Keywords: Booster, real,estate,australia,buy,sell
BOOSTER BOOSTERBOOSTER
Comments:
On the 3/14/98 a newgroup suggestion was posted to alt.config,
Message ID 350a0cc1.0 @ cyberalink.com.au
I am the party suggesting this newsgroup to fill a great need.
For your newsgroups file:
alt.real-estate.aust Bringing together buyers & sellers no middle man
Charter:
Appropriate topics are listing for sale by sellers & requests for
purchase for Australian real estate by persons anywhere in the world.
Justification for Readership:
There is a great amount of on line interest in real estate
transactions, as seen by commercial web sites.
Many people would prefer not to expose themselves to professional
sales people, thus this newsgroup should give these people in
Australia & potential international investors, a forum.
==END EXAMPLE BOOSTER CONTROL.NEWGROUP MESSAGE===
Newsreaders That Will Send a Newgroup Control Message:
What none of the FAQ's make clear is that your newsreader may not
have the special header fields needed to send a control post or how to
get those header fields. There MUST be "Control:" and "Approved:"
fields IN the header. Free Agent, Agent and News Xpress
newsreaders can produce these header fields for IBM type PC users. For
Macintosh users the MT-Newswatcher can be used. All the suggested
newsreaders are freeware and can be found at
the URL's following.....
windows 95
http://tucows.texoma.net/adnload/dlfreeagent.html
http://tucows.texoma.net/adnload/dlnxpress.html
windows 3.1
http://tucows.texoma.net/softnews.html#freeagent
http://tucows.texoma.net/adnload/win3x/dlnewsxpress3x.html
Macintosh
http://tucows.texoma.net/mac/adnload/dlmtnwmac.html
To configure the MT-Newswatcher perform the following.
From the menu
click on FILE
click on PREFERENCES
Scroll down to Extra header lines
Type in control:
Type in approved:
Click OKAY

The Free Agent Newsreader
(Agent is essentially the same)
To obtain the required headers with Free Agent you must find the
agent.ini file (agent configure with windows 95 or just agent).
Open the file by clicking on the icon and using notepad.
Find the section labeled [message] and then find ShowAllFields=0.
Change ShowAllFields=0 to ShowAllFields=1.
Save and Close the file.
Close and restart Free Agent.
Click Post on the menu.
Click New Usenet Message.
Click message on the menu
Click on All Fields.
The last action will open a new fields box. In this new box you will
find the new control and approved headers. You can scroll the fields
using the buttons on the right side of the box. To enter data in the
control field highlight the control field by clicking on it. Below
the box you will see a box now marked as Value for control. In this
box enter the control data. Click on the highlighted control again
and the data in the value box will be transferred to the highlighted
control field. Repeat the operation for the approved field and all
fields you wish to change in the box.
The News Xpress Newsreader

The two News Xpress readers are simpler to configure than Free Agent.
New Xpress 1.0 beta # 4 for Windows 3.xx.
Click on Config.
Click on Preferences.
Click on Headers
In the box marked Post headers template type in the
control: and approved: header fields.
Close the box and click Post. Your new fields will now be visible.
News Xpress version 2.0 for Windows 95
Click on File
Click on Options
Click on Compose
In the Template section , in the post headers box, type in the
control: and approved: header fields.
Close the box and select Post from the menu. You will now see the
new control and approved header fields.
What Comes After:
After the control.newgroup post has been sent, and you have confirmed
it was successful, you may get several post similar the one below.
They are for system administrators and you need take no action.
To:
Subject:
From: news @ duey.c4c.com
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 96 20:17:31 +0000
e.Eugene A. Calame <eacalame @ flash.net> @ worldnet.att.net requested that alt.penpals.forty-plus-yrs be
created. To do this, type
the following: /usr/local/news/bin/ctlinnd newgroup alt.penpals.forty-plus-yrs y
e.Eugene A. Calame <eacalame @ flash.net> @ worldnet.att.net
Follow Up
:
You have done all the above and you still do not see your newsgroup on
the server of your ISP. Check for new newgroups or refresh your
newsreader
newsgroup list and check again. If it still is not there after a day
or two give your Internet service provider a call and request that it
be added. Usually a post to support @ (your ISP.net) requesting the
newsgroup be added will do the trick.
To get good distribution of the newsgroups encourage all, who would be
interested, to ask their Internet service provider to add the group to
their server. (A polite announcement, of the creation of your
newsgroup, to newsgroups with similar, but specialized interest, would
not be out of order.)

After the new newsgroup has been up and running for a few months, you
should write a review of the group and submit it to
news.groups.reviews. See http://www.superb.net/~islander/ngr/
for information about news.groups.reviews.

Good luck. If you need further help feel free to call on me.
Eugene A. Calame <eacalame @ flash.net>
Austin, Texas USA https://www.angelfire.com/tx/calame


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hello
(thank you for your very useful posts about creating newsgroups, Eugene)
I would like to create (or someone to create) groups about Dadaism.
Since I noticed that there are too many "poems" of peronal creation posted
to alt.surrealism,
I think it's better to make at least two... alt.dadaism(discussion *about*
dadaism) and alt.dadaism.creation (*dadaistic* posts or posts including
dadaistic creative writings, ads of personal web-pages with their own
dadaistic works..etc.).
(sometimes reading lots of other people's creations could be a little
painful, when it is not what you are looking for .... ;-)
I have several questions....
1.Where and how do I find who created a certain newsgroup?
 What other informations are available (and how and where) about the
newsgroup itself and its creator?(I don't mean FAQ, "About this
newsgroup" posts..)
2. Do I have to be responsible in any sense for a non-moderated newsgroup I
created, even it's for a public purpose(like alt.dadaism)?

3.On which server are all the messages originally stored?
 ( If I send control message using my ISP's account, will it be my ISP's
newsserver??)
thanks in advance for the follow-ups
allegedly christopher

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On Tue, 25 Aug 1998 04:40:33 +0900, hmm @ hmm.hmm (allegedly
christopher) wrote:
>
>I have several questions....
>
>1.Where and how do I find who created a certain newsgroup?
> What other informations are available (and how and where) about the
>newsgroup itself and its creator?(I don't mean FAQ, "About this
>newsgroup" posts..)
What information is available can be found at
ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/control/
You should be able to find the control.newgroup message that created
the group there. The message should tell you who created the group,
when it was created, and it may have a charter. Many do not have
charters since none is required, as opposed to needed.
Depending on how long ago since the group was created you might be
able to find the creating post, or a reference to it , at
http://www.dejanews.com or/and http://www.reference.com
>
>2. Do I have to be responsible in any sense for a non-moderated newsgroup I
>created, even it's for a public purpose(like alt.dadaism)?
You will have no responsibility, or control, over it once it is
created.
>
>3.On which server are all the messages originally stored?
> ( If I send control message using my ISP's account, will it be my ISP's
>newsserver??)
Messages are stored on each/every news server that allows the
newsgroup to be created on it. It will be on your ISP's news server
only if they accept it. Even if they do not accept it for inclusion
on their news server your control.newgroup message will go out.
(assuming your ISP allows control.newgroup messages to be posted. A
few don't) Some news servers take the control.newgroup message and
automatically create the group immediately. Some pass the message on
to the system administrator and he/she makes the decision on weather
or not to create/accept the group on their news server. Many ISP's
add alt. groups only when the group is requested by a customer.
Messages are passed from one news server to another, in sort of a
cascade affect, until all news servers on Usenet system have seen the
message. ( There are some exceptions but I won't go into that)
>thanks in advance for the follow-ups
>
>allegedly christopher
>
>
There are several good web sites that go into how Usenet works. Just
enter Usenet in the search engine. I also recommend the book
"Managing Usenet" by Henry Spencer and David Lawrence and published by
O'Reilly if you want to get into it. The book can be found at
http://www.amazon.com .
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Eugene A. Calame <eacalame @ flash.net> eacalame @ flash.net
Austin, Texas USA https://www.angelfire.com/tx/calame


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I have read the postings here regarding creating new newsgroups via the
alt.config process. My problem is that I find it difficult to believe that
this is the only means of doing so. This is because I cannot fathom how
alt.sex.gangbang and its ilk got through that process. Then there are
groups like alt.delete.this.newsgroup and alt.silly.little.newsgroup, not
mention free.toy.with.every.happy.meal. Where did these come from? There
are newsgroups with misspelled words like alt.sex.masterbation as well as
the correct alt.sex.masturbation. Finally there are the stupid personal
newsgroups such as alt.women.want.sex.with.joebob,
alt.asshole.ronald-g-valiant, and alt.bonehead.asst-principal.mark.schmidt.
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On 23 Aug 1998 20:04:24 GMT, "Gemini Mailing"  wrote:
>I have read the postings here regarding creating new newsgroups via the
>alt.config process. My problem is that I find it difficult to believe that
>this is the only means of doing so. This is because I cannot fathom how
>alt.sex.gangbang and its ilk got through that process. Then there are
>groups like alt.delete.this.newsgroup and alt.silly.little.newsgroup, not
>mention free.toy.with.every.happy.meal. Where did these come from? There
>are newsgroups with misspelled words like alt.sex.masterbation as well as
>the correct alt.sex.masturbation. Finally there are the stupid personal
>newsgroups such as alt.women.want.sex.with.joebob,
>alt.asshole.ronald-g-valiant, and alt.bonehead.asst-principal.mark.schmidt.
> What gives here?

Greetings,
An opinion.
No, you do not absolutely have to go through the process. I quote you the first
paragraph of one of the mainstay FAQ's located at
http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~barr/alt-creation-guide.html
"There are no Guidelines or Rules for creating alt groups. There is no one "in
charge" of the alt hierarchy. The key to creating a successful alt newsgroup
depends only on convincing the thousands of news administrators across the globe
to carry your newsgroup. Here are some tips that will help you achieve this. "
I will add to the above quote that you must have a properly formatted header for
the group to be created. Also the name must fit certain conditions that is
demanded not by any one system administrator but by software. See
http://www.faqs.org/usenet/alt/naming.html
The purpose of going through alt.config is to eliminate duplications and errors
in the name of the newsgroup. Unfortunately there are people there that tend to
be abrasive and offer little more than nonsense for help. Ignore them. You
will get some good advice. Consider their suggestions carefully.
The purpose of the alt. hierarchy, unlike the big eight newsgroups, is to give
free reign to people in creating a newsgroup. Creation of a big eight newsgroup
requires you to jump through some hoops before your group will be sanctioned
for use on Usenet. You can create a newsgroup, in any hierarchy, anytime you
send a proper control.newgroup message; Even a big eight newsgroup. However,
the big eight will be, for the most part, successfully control.rmgroup, if you
don't follow procedures. An alt. newsgroup will not. Controls vary from
hierarchy to hierarchy.
The paragraph I quoted before also states that; " The key to creating a
successful alt newsgroup depends only on convincing the thousands of news
administrators across the globe to carry your newsgroup". Following a few simple
rules goes a long way in convincing the system administrations to carry the
group. They don't have to carry them, even the big eight, just like you don't
have to subscribe to them.
Other opinions?
Regards,
Eugene A. Calame <eacalame @ flash.net>Austin, Texas USA https://www.angelfire.com/tx/Eugene A. Calame <eacalame @ flash.net>/



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I agree with Eugene. I personally didn't go through the alt.config process.
I created a newsgroup within 10 minutes. My only problem with not going
throug alt.config was that if I had done so it would have caught some errors
I had when creating cmsg message. This error resulted in my newsgroup not
being widely propagated with various news servers. With Eugene's help, I
corrected this error recently. My only advice is that if you don't go
through alt.config that you carefully read the newsgroup creation guides
Eugene refers to so that your cmsg message is developed properly.
--
Seabush
Eugene A. Calame <eacalame @ flash.net> wrote in message <>35e27223.4655547 @ news.flash.net;...
>On 23 Aug 1998 20:04:24 GMT, "Gemini Mailing" <gemimail @ primenet.com>
wrote:
>
>>I have read the postings here regarding creating new newsgroups via the
>>alt.config process. My problem is that I find it difficult to believethat
>>this is the only means of doing so. This is because I cannot fathom how
>>alt.sex.gangbang and its ilk got through that process. Then there are
>>groups like alt.delete.this.newsgroup and alt.silly.little.newsgroup, not
>>mention free.toy.with.every.happy.meal. Where did these come from? There
>>are newsgroups with misspelled words like alt.sex.masterbation as well as
>>the correct alt.sex.masturbation. Finally there are the stupid personal
>>newsgroups such as alt.women.want.sex.with.joebob,
>>alt.asshole.ronald-g-valiant, and alt.bonehead.asst-principal.mark.schmidt.
>> What gives here?
>
>Greetings,
>
>An opinion.
>
>No, you do not absolutely have to go through the process. I quote you the
first
>paragraph of one of the mainstay FAQ's located at
>http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~barr/alt-creation-guide.html
>
>"There are no Guidelines or Rules for creating alt groups. There is no one
"in
>charge" of the alt hierarchy. The key to creating a successful alt
newsgroup
>depends only on convincing the thousands of news administrators across the
globe
>to carry your newsgroup. Here are some tips that will help you achieve
this. "
>
>I will add to the above quote that you must have a properly formatted
header for
>the group to be created. Also the name must fit certain conditions that is
>demanded not by any one system administrator but by software. See
>http://www.faqs.org/usenet/alt/naming.html
>
>The purpose of going through alt.config is to eliminate duplications and
errors
>in the name of the newsgroup. Unfortunately there are people there that
tend to
>be abrasive and offer little more than nonsense for help. Ignore them.
You
>will get some good advice. Consider their suggestions carefully.
>
>The purpose of the alt. hierarchy, unlike the big eight newsgroups, is to
give
>free reign to people in creating a newsgroup. Creation of a big eight
newsgroup
>requires you to jump through some hoops before your group will be
sanctioned
>for use on Usenet. You can create a newsgroup, in any hierarchy, anytime you
>send a proper control.newgroup message; Even a big eight newsgroup. However,
>the big eight will be, for the most part, successfully control.rmgroup, if you
>don't follow procedures. An alt. newsgroup will not. Controls vary from
>hierarchy to hierarchy.
>
>The paragraph I quoted before also states that; " The key to creating a
>successful alt newsgroup depends only on convincing the thousands of news
>administrators across the globe to carry your newsgroup". Following a few simple
>rules goes a long way in convincing the system administrations to carry the >group. They don't have to carry them, even the big eight, just like you don't
>have to subscribe to them.
>
>Other opinions?
>
>Regards,
>Eugene A. Calame <eacalame @ flash.net>>Austin, Texas USA www.angelfire.com/tx//



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Can someone tell me how to change the name that I post from? For example, I
want to change it from JWaynick to JWW.
Thanks, JWW



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On Sun, 23 Aug 1998 10:08:31 -0400, "JWaynick"  wrote:
>Can someone tell me how to change the name that I post from? For example, I
>want to change it from JWaynick to JWW.
>Thanks, JWW
>
Greetings,
I can't help but maybe I can point you to a source that can. Check out
news:microsoft.public.inetexplorer.ie4.outlookexpress . It should be on your ISP's news server.
Also go to the Microsoft home pages and look around for information.
Somewhere there should be a place for you to change the name. Look for a menu
selections like options, preferences, or the like.
Maybe someone else here can help.
Have you thought of downloading Netscape 4.5 . It is freeware and has an
excellent newsreader.
Regards,
Eugene A. Calame <eacalame @ flash.net>
Austin, Texas USAhttps://www.angelfire.com/tx/Eugene A. Calame <eacalame @ flash.net>/



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If you use Internet Mail to log on to your ISP, you can pull down Mail,
pick Options, and then click on Server. The top window called Name: is the
handle that your ISP puts on all postings to anything whether it be
newsgroups, e-mail, or whatever. What you cannot change without working
with your ISP is your logon name, but that is not used in postings. I
regularly change the entry in the Name: window as I switch from leaving
messages for business purposes to personal ones and back. The entry in
this Name: window is what shows up on a messages and postings when I do
that.
Eugene A. Calame <eacalame @ flash.net> wrote in article
<35e37d92.7583513 @ news.flash.net>...
> On Sun, 23 Aug 1998 10:08:31 -0400, "JWaynick"  wrote:
>
> >Can someone tell me how to change the name that I post from? For
example, I
> >want to change it from JWaynick to JWW.
> >Thanks, JWW
> >






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Hello all,
I wish to start a newsgroup for Pagan Biker Poets...
How do I do this...
Papa
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>Hello all,
>I wish to start a newsgroup for Pagan Biker Poets...
>How do I do this...
>Papa
 Guides for Creating Newsgroups
Index:
Guide for Creating a Big Eight or Local Newsgroup
Guide for Creating an alt.newsgroup

Greetings,
The guides below should answer most, if not all, of your questions
about newsgroup creation. The heart of the guide is the standard
FAQ's and where they can be found. The guides attempts to fill in
spots where the FAQ's are vague.
The alt. And, so called, big eight newsgroups, are international in
scope. They should not be used if the subject is of local interest
only. An example, of a local newsgroup, would be a newsgroup about
the lakes near Austin, Texas. Such a newsgroup should be created under
the austin.* hierarchy.
Alt. newsgroups are simple to create and require only that you place a
proposal in the newsgroup alt.config for critique. After that, and
you have considered all valid comments, you can send the
control.newgroup control post to create the group. The second guide
pasted below covers the creation of an alt. newsgroup in detail.
A proposed big eight newsgroup must complete a process of review,
discussion, (RFD or Request for Discussion), and voting. (CFV or Call
for Votes.) The process is long. Usually three months or more.

The process is started by sending an outline, of your proposed
newsgroup, to group-mentors @ acpub.duke.edu. A proposed new
newsgroup must gather one hundred yes votes more than no votes and
the yes votes must be two thirds, of the total votes. The process is
run by appointed mentors. The process, with examples, are thoroughly
covered in the FAQ's listed in the guide and requires no further
explanation.
The reward for following the more involved big eight process is
assured distribution of your newsgroup worldwide. The alt. newsgroup
may, or may not, be accepted by Usenet news servers.
Local, regional and national newsgroup hierarchies have their own
requirements and must be contacted for those requirements.
Please keep in mind that once the newsgroup is created the group is
not yours. It is in the public domain and you have little, or no,
real control over it.
There are no charges for creating a newsgroup. Nor do you have to
provide any software or storage space on your computer.

 =============================================
Guide for Creating a Big Eight or Local Newsgroup
Revised 1 May 1998

Creating newsgroups for the comp., humanities., misc., news., rec.,
sci., soc. or talk. hierarchies, the big eight, is somewhat
complicated but has mentors to guide you through the process.
A proposed big eight newsgroup must complete a process of review,
discussion, (RFD or Request for Discussion), and voting. (CFV or Call
for Votes.) The process is long. Usually three months or more.

The process is started by sending an outline, of your proposed
newsgroup, to group-mentors @ acpub.duke.edu. A proposed new newsgroup
must gather one hundred yes votes more than no votes and the yes
votes must be two thirds, of the total votes. The process is run by
appointed mentors. The process, with examples, are thoroughly covered
in the FAQ's listed in the guide and requires no further explanation.
For information on starting a big eight newsgroup read the following
documents.
http://cs1.presby.edu/~jtbell/usenet/newgroup/
http://cs1.presby.edu/~jtbell/usenet/newgroup/how-submit.faq
http://cs1.presby.edu/~jtbell/usenet/newgroup/good-proposal.faq
http://www.faqs.org/usenet/alt/naming.html
For information on starting a moderated newsgroup read the following
documents.
http://www.swcp.com/~dmckeon/mod-faq.html
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/news/moderated-ng-faq
For information on starting a local, regional or national hierarchy
newsgroup locate that groups config, or general, newsgroup.
( Example: austin.usenet.config ). I have found that at times you
will not be able to obtain such information from the newsgroups. You
would then contact your ISP and try to obtain such information, or
advice, from the system administrator. After all attempts to obtain
the conventional procedures for creating a newsgroup in the hierarchy
have failed go ahead and sent the newgroup control message. You can
do no harm. The newgroup control message will either be accepted or
rejected by the system administrators. (You may also then receive the
information you were seeking along with other suggestions :-)

===============================================
Guide for Creating an alt.newsgroup
Revised 1 May 1997
index:
First things first:
More useful information:
Information for starting a moderated newsgroup:
An Overview:
Creating your newsgroup:
Example newgroup Proposals
Newsreaders That Will Send a Newgroup Control Message:
Example, newgroup control post; header and body:
Example newgroup Booster
What Comes After:
Follow Up:

First things first:
Download, print out, make a file, and read the following.
(Very important)
http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~barr/alt-creation-guide.html
http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds/usenet/good-newgroup.html

For information on starting a moderated newsgroup read the following
documents.
http://www.swcp.com/~dmckeon/mod-faq.html
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/news/moderated-ng-faq
An Overview:
NO ONE can keep you from creating an alt. newsgroup.
NO ONE can make a Internet Service Provider (ISP) carry your group on
their server.
NO ONE can effectively remove your group, except the Internet service
provider, and then only from his server. Most servers automatically
reject rmgroup messages.
There are no charges for creating a newsgroup nor do you have to
provide any software or storage space on your computer.
Creating a successful alt. newsgroup will take about two-weeks.
Distribution over the usenet system, once created, may take as much as
a month or more. (You should see some results within minutes.)
There are no votes needed for alt.* newsgroups. A charter is not
required but you should provide a description of the groups purpose.
A format familiar to system administrators should be used so that they
can quickly determine if it is of interest to their operation. (That
is the purpose of following the format of the template)
Justification for the group should explain why it is needed. A large
mailing list and/or frequent discussion of your newsgroup subject, in
other newsgroups, should be mentioned.
Post supporting your proposal should be sent to your e-mail address.
NOT alt.config. You can summarize the messages of support in the
justification portion of the control message. In your control.newgroup
message you should mention that the newsgroup was proposed and
discussed in alt.config, giving the date (and ideally the Message-ID)
of the proposal. This information should appear early in the message
since many news administrators, will ignore any newgroup messages that
don't mention alt.config in the first page. ( I suggest putting the
information in the comments portion, in the body, and the
summary field of the header.)
The biggest obstacle you will have to overcome is getting the Internet
service provider, systems administrator, to allow your newsgroup on
their server. Good propagation is second, in importance, only to the
proper creation of your newsgroup and is more difficult to obtain. If
your creation is on one or two servers, out of several thousand, your
creation will fail. That is why following the documents (FAQ's),
while writing the proposal, control and booster post, is important.
Creating your newsgroup:
The group you want to create may already exist. Download and check
 ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/config/ (select newsgroups.z). This
will give you a complete list of alt. newsgroups, and hierarchies, in
existence; not necessarily in use. The list will help you name and
place your newsgroup in the proper hierarchy. (very important)
Creating a newsgroup essentially involves three stages. Writing a
proposal which will be posted to alt.config for discussion. Writing a
control.newgroup post which can be the same as the proposal
except it has control: and approved: fields in the header. Writing
booster post after the newsgroup is created. The booster is exactly
the same as the control.newgroup post except at the beginning of the
message, in the body, after a blank line, the word "booster" is
written. Control and booster post are posted to alt.config and the
newsgroup you are creating. (alt.config,alt.group-name)
The best source of information, concerning the creation of an alt.
Newsgroup, is contained in a document titled "How To Write a Good
Newsgroup Message" by Mr. Brian Edmonds. It can be found at URL
http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds/usenet/good-newgroup.html
Pay particular attention to his "must", "should" and "should not"
instructions.
The document by Mr. David Barr is also strongly recommended;
especially the part about newsgroup naming conventions. Naming your
newsgroup is extremely important. Some news servers cannot work with
improperly named newsgroups because of software limitations . It can
be found at the web URL address
http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~barr/alt-creation-guide.html
The Proposal
When you prepare your newsgroup proposal try to keep the discussion of
the proposal too one screen if possible. A long proposal may not be
read. Use the comments, charter and justification sections of the
template example, below, as a guide. Let your proposal stay on
alt.config, for discussion, about a week. There may be suggestions
for changes. Consider the suggestions carefully. If there are no
suggestions you can assume the proposal is acceptable. Then,
incorporating any changes, you deem necessary, send your newgroup
control post.
==sample proposal to be sent to alt.config for critique (template)==
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: [PROPOSAL] alt.the-name-of-your-newsgroup
Comments: Who you are and what your newsgroup is about.
For your newsgroups file:
newsgroup name A few words describing the newsgroup. One line. Do not
run over.
{Follow the format above exactly; copy the first line "For your
newsgroups file: " verbatim, and on the second line give the name of
the newsgroup, followed by one or more spaces followed by a few words
describing the group. Do not run over the end of the line!)
Charter:
The purpose of the charter is to define what topics are (or are not)
appropriate for the newsgroup, and to state any applicable policies of
the newsgroup (for example, no binaries if the group is not a binary
newsgroup.)
Justification of Readership:
Here you should include numerical evidence that there is substantial
online interest in the topic of the newsgroup. If the topic is covered
by an existing newsgroup, mailing list, or other discussion forum, you
should also explain why the existing forum is no longer adequate for
the purpose.
This also applies to creating a specialized subgroup of a more general
newsgroup; you will need to explain why the split is necessary ("we
don't want to use the general group" is not considered an adequate
reason-- only a high volume of traffic in the general group, and/or a
high percentage of that traffic being on this specific sub-topic, is
considered a valid justification for a split).
===end of sample proposal post to alt.config (template)===
The Free Agent Newsreader
(Agent is essentially the same)
To obtain the required headers with Free Agent you must find the
agent.ini file (agent configure with windows 95 or just agent).
Open the file by clicking on the icon and using notepad.
Find the section labeled [message] and then find ShowAllFields=0.
Change ShowAllFields=0 to ShowAllFields=1.
Save and Close the file.
Close and restart Free Agent.
Click Post on the menu.
Click New Usenet Message.
Click message on the menu
Click on All Fields.
The last action will open a new fields box. In this new box you will
find the new control and approved headers. You can scroll the fields
using the buttons on the right side of the box. To enter data in the
control field highlight the control field by clicking on it. Below
the box you will see a box now marked as Value for control. In this
box enter the control data. Click on the highlighted control again
and the data in the value box will be transferred to the highlighted
control field. Repeat the operation for the approved field and all
fields you wish to change in the box.
The Control Message:
Your proposal has been posted and you have finished making any changes
you deemed needed. You are now ready to send your control.newgroup
message to create the newsgroup. Below you will find a sample
(template) that will help you format that message. You will notice
that the body is almost the same as the proposal was. All that is
changed is the comments: section.
 The focus of this section is the formatting of the headers. You must
have Approved: and Control: fields in the header.
==START OF CONTROL.NEWGROUP TEMPLATE======
======braces are for grouping only. Do not use ====
From: {email address of person sending this message}
Newsgroups: alt.config,{alt.name-of-newsgroup-being-created}
Control: newgroup {name of newsgroup being created}
Subject: cmsg newgroup {name of newsgroup being created}
Summary: discussed in alt.config, substantial interest, appropriate
name
Expires: {this should be left empty, in a newgroup message}
Approved: {email address of person sending this message}
Sender: {email address of person or administrator sending this
message}
Follow up-To: poster {follow ups default to emailing you, instead of
posting}
Reply-To: {email address of person requesting creation of the group}
Distribution: {this header should be empty except for a single space
character; especially don't use "Distribution: world"}
Organization: {your organization or institution may be named here}
Keywords: {here you may include keywords related to the topic of the
group}
Cc: {you may specify email addresses to send a copy of this message
to}
(make sure you have a blank line here, between the header, above, and
the body, below)
Comments:
State the dates (e.g. "during 1/96") was discussed in alt.config, and
who you are in relation to the proposal (especially if you aren't the
original proponent). Many news administrators, will ignore any
newgroup messages that don't mention the posting of the proposal to
alt.config. )

For your newsgroups file:
newsgroup name A few words describing the newsgroup. One line. Do not
run over.
{You must follow the format above exactly; copy the first line
verbatim, and on the second line give the name of the newsgroup,
followed by one or more spaces followed by a few words
describing the group. Do not run over the end of the line!)
Charter:
The purpose of the charter is to define what topics are (or are not)
appropriate for the newsgroup, and to state any applicable policies of
the newsgroup (for example, if the group is "retro-moderated", you
should explain the criteria that will be applied by the moderator or
moderation software.
Justification of Readership:
Here you should include numerical evidence that there is substantial online
interest in the topic of the newsgroup. If the topic is covered by an existing
newsgroup, mailing list, or other discussion forum, you should also explain why
the existing forum is no longer adequate for the purpose.

======END OF CONTROL.NEWGROUP TEMPLATE===
===START OF SAMPLE CONTROL.NEWGROUP MESSAGE====
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.real-estate.aust
Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.real-estate.aust
Control: newgroup alt.real-estate.aust
Followup-To: poster
Approved: wireit @ cyberalink.com.au
Reply-To: wireit @ cyberalink.com.au
Summary: Discussed in alt.config 3/14/98 Message ID
350a0cc1.0 @ cyberalink.com.au
Keywords: real,estate,australia,buy,sell
Comments:
On the 3/14/98 a newgroup suggestion was posted to alt.config,
Message ID 350a0cc1.0 @ cyberalink.com.au
I am the party suggesting this newsgroup to fill a great need.
For your newsgroups file:
alt.real-estate.aust Bringing together buyers & sellers no middle man
Charter:
Appropriate topics are listing for sale by sellers & requests for
purchase for Australian real estate by persons anywhere in the world.
Justification for Readership:
There is a great amount of on line interest in real estate
transactions, as seen by commercial web sites.
Many people would prefer not to expose themselves to professional
sales people, thus this newsgroup should give these people in
Australia & potential international investors, a forum.
===END OF SAMPLE CONTROL.NEWGROUP MESSAGE=======
Cross post your control.newgroup post to alt.config and the group
being creating. Only a comma between the two; no space.
(alt.config,alt.group-name)
 A successful newgroup control post WILL NOT show up in alt.config
even though it was addressed to that group. You will find it in the
CONTROL newsgroup (it may be listed as control.newgroup on your ISP's
server), if the post was successful. There may be 40,000, or more,
post in control so It may be hard to locate. Use your find tool and
If your newsreader has a filter (kill file) you might filter out the
word "cancel" too get rid of most post that are of no interest too
you. Sorting the group by subject can also help. You will have little
trouble finding your control message if your ISP has the
control.newgroup newsgroup.
Every Internet service provider that accepts control.newgroup post
automatically will create your group on that server immediately when
received; or pass the newgroup.control post on to the system
administrator for action.
Always remember; You are addressing systems administrators with your
proposal, control and booster post. They must make quick decisions on
your newsgroup along with many others.
The Booster Messages:
The booster messages are control.newgroup messages.
The only difference you make in the control.newgroup message is to add
the words "booster" in the Summary: and Keywords: fields. Also as the
first words in the body of the control.newgroup body.
There are always new news servers, and system administrators, coming on
line so you should send booster control.newgroup messages from time to
time. I recommend posting a booster about every week for the first
month after your newsgroup is created. Once a month for the next six
months and perhaps once every six months to a year after that.
==START EXAMPLE BOOSTER CONTROL.NEWGROUP MESSAGE===
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.real-estate.aust
Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.real-estate.aust
Control: newgroup alt.real-estate.aust
Followup-To: poster
Approved: wireit @ cyberalink.com.au
Reply-To: wireit @ cyberalink.com.au
Summary: Booster, Discussed in alt.config 3/14/98 Message ID
350a0cc1.0 @ cyberalink.com.au
Keywords: Booster, real,estate,australia,buy,sell
BOOSTER BOOSTERBOOSTER
Comments:
On the 3/14/98 a newgroup suggestion was posted to alt.config,
Message ID 350a0cc1.0 @ cyberalink.com.au
I am the party suggesting this newsgroup to fill a great need.
For your newsgroups file:
alt.real-estate.aust Bringing together buyers & sellers no middle man
Charter:
Appropriate topics are listing for sale by sellers & requests for
purchase for Australian real estate by persons anywhere in the world.
Justification for Readership:
There is a great amount of on line interest in real estate
transactions, as seen by commercial web sites.
Many people would prefer not to expose themselves to professional
sales people, thus this newsgroup should give these people in
Australia & potential international investors, a forum.
==END EXAMPLE BOOSTER CONTROL.NEWGROUP MESSAGE===
Newsreaders That Will Send a Newgroup Control Message:
What none of the FAQ's make clear is that your newsreader may not
have the special header fields needed to send a control post or how to
get those header fields. There MUST be "Control:" and "Approved:"
fields IN the header. Free Agent, Agent and News Xpress
newsreaders can produce these header fields for IBM type PC users. For
Macintosh users the MT-Newswatcher can be used. All the suggested
newsreaders are freeware and can be found at
the URL's following.....
windows 95
http://tucows.texoma.net/adnload/dlfreeagent.html
http://tucows.texoma.net/adnload/dlnxpress.html
windows 3.1
http://tucows.texoma.net/softnews.html#freeagent
http://tucows.texoma.net/adnload/win3x/dlnewsxpress3x.html
Macintosh
http://tucows.texoma.net/mac/adnload/dlmtnwmac.html
To configure the MT-Newswatcher perform the following.
From the menu
click on FILE
click on PREFERENCES
Scroll down to Extra header lines
Type in control:
Type in approved:
Click OKAY

The Free Agent Newsreader
(Agent is essentially the same)
To obtain the required headers with Free Agent you must find the
agent.ini file (agent configure with windows 95 or just agent).
Open the file by clicking on the icon and using notepad.
Find the section labeled [message] and then find ShowAllFields=0.
Change ShowAllFields=0 to ShowAllFields=1.
Save and Close the file.
Close and restart Free Agent.
Click Post on the menu.
Click New Usenet Message.
Click message on the menu
Click on All Fields.
The last action will open a new fields box. In this new box you will
find the new control and approved headers. You can scroll the fields
using the buttons on the right side of the box. To enter data in the
control field highlight the control field by clicking on it. Below
the box you will see a box now marked as Value for control. In this
box enter the control data. Click on the highlighted control again
and the data in the value box will be transferred to the highlighted
control field. Repeat the operation for the approved field and all
fields you wish to change in the box.
The News Xpress Newsreader

The two News Xpress readers are simpler to configure than Free Agent.
New Xpress 1.0 beta # 4 for Windows 3.xx.
Click on Config.
Click on Preferences.
Click on Headers
In the box marked Post headers template type in the
control: and approved: header fields.
Close the box and click Post. Your new fields will now be visible.
News Xpress version 2.0 for Windows 95
Click on File
Click on Options
Click on Compose
In the Template section , in the post headers box, type in the
control: and approved: header fields.
Close the box and select Post from the menu. You will now see the
new control and approved header fields.

What Comes After:
After the control.newgroup post has been sent, and you have confirmed
it was successful, you may get several post similar the one below.
They are for system administrators and you need take no action.
    To:
    Subject:
    From: news @ duey.c4c.com
    Date: Wed, 6 Nov 96 20:17:31 +0000
   eacalame @ worldnet.att.net requested that alt.penpals.forty-plus-yrs be
   created. To do this, type
   the following: /usr/local/news/bin/ctlinnd newgroup alt.penpals.forty-plus-yrs y
   eacalame @ worldnet.att.net

Follow Up:
You have done all the above and you still do not see your newsgroup on
the server of your ISP. Check for new newgroups or refresh your
newsreader
newsgroup list and check again. If it still is not there after a day
or two give your Internet service provider a call and request that it
be added. Usually a post to support @ (your ISP.net) requesting the
newsgroup be added will do the trick.
To get good distribution of the newsgroups encourage all, who would be
interested, to ask their Internet service provider to add the group to
their server. (A polite announcement, of the creation of your
newsgroup, to newsgroups with similar, but specialized interest, would
not be out of order.)

After the new newsgroup has been up and running for a few months, you
should write a review of the group and submit it to
news.groups.reviews. See http://www.superb.net/~islander/ngr/
for information about news.groups.reviews.

Good luck. If you need further help feel free to call on me.
Eugene A. Calame <eacalame @ flash.net>
Austin, Texas USA https://www.angelfire.com/tx/calame



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On Sat, 22 Aug 1998 20:01:37 -0500, Papa  wrote:
>Hello all,
>I wish to start a newsgroup for Pagan Biker Poets...
>How do I do this...
>Papa
 Guides for Creating Newsgroups
Index:
Guide for Creating a Big Eight or Local Newsgroup
Guide for Creating an alt.newsgroup

Greetings,
The guides below should answer most, if not all, of your questions
about newsgroup creation. The heart of the guide is the standard
FAQ's and where they can be found. The guides attempts to fill in
spots where the FAQ's are vague.
The alt. And, so called, big eight newsgroups, are international in
scope. They should not be used if the subject is of local interest
only. An example, of a local newsgroup, would be a newsgroup about
the lakes near Austin, Texas. Such a newsgroup should be created under
the austin.* hierarchy.
Alt. newsgroups are simple to create and require only that you place a
proposal in the newsgroup alt.config for critique. After that, and
you have considered all valid comments, you can send the
control.newgroup control post to create the group. The second guide
pasted below covers the creation of an alt. newsgroup in detail.
A proposed big eight newsgroup must complete a process of review,
discussion, (RFD or Request for Discussion), and voting. (CFV or Call
for Votes.) The process is long. Usually three months or more.

The process is started by sending an outline, of your proposed
newsgroup, to group-mentors @ acpub.duke.edu. A proposed new
newsgroup must gather one hundred yes votes more than no votes and
the yes votes must be two thirds, of the total votes. The process is
run by appointed mentors. The process, with examples, are thoroughly
covered in the FAQ's listed in the guide and requires no further
explanation.
The reward for following the more involved big eight process is
assured distribution of your newsgroup worldwide. The alt. newsgroup
may, or may not, be accepted by Usenet news servers.
Local, regional and national newsgroup hierarchies have their own
requirements and must be contacted for those requirements.
Please keep in mind that once the newsgroup is created the group is
not yours. It is in the public domain and you have little, or no,
real control over it.
There are no charges for creating a newsgroup. Nor do you have to
provide any software or storage space on your computer.

 =============================================
Guide for Creating a Big Eight or Local Newsgroup
Revised 1 May 1998

Creating newsgroups for the comp., humanities., misc., news., rec.,
sci., soc. or talk. hierarchies, the big eight, is somewhat
complicated but has mentors to guide you through the process.
A proposed big eight newsgroup must complete a process of review,
discussion, (RFD or Request for Discussion), and voting. (CFV or Call
for Votes.) The process is long. Usually three months or more.

The process is started by sending an outline, of your proposed
newsgroup, to group-mentors @ acpub.duke.edu. A proposed new newsgroup
must gather one hundred yes votes more than no votes and the yes
votes must be two thirds, of the total votes. The process is run by
appointed mentors. The process, with examples, are thoroughly covered
in the FAQ's listed in the guide and requires no further explanation.
For information on starting a big eight newsgroup read the following
documents.
http://cs1.presby.edu/~jtbell/usenet/newgroup/
http://cs1.presby.edu/~jtbell/usenet/newgroup/how-submit.faq
http://cs1.presby.edu/~jtbell/usenet/newgroup/good-proposal.faq
http://www.faqs.org/usenet/alt/naming.html
For information on starting a moderated newsgroup read the following
documents.
http://www.swcp.com/~dmckeon/mod-faq.html
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/news/moderated-ng-faq
For information on starting a local, regional or national hierarchy
newsgroup locate that groups config, or general, newsgroup.
( Example: austin.usenet.config ). I have found that at times you
will not be able to obtain such information from the newsgroups. You
would then contact your ISP and try to obtain such information, or
advice, from the system administrator. After all attempts to obtain
the conventional procedures for creating a newsgroup in the hierarchy
have failed go ahead and sent the newgroup control message. You can
do no harm. The newgroup control message will either be accepted or
rejected by the system administrators. (You may also then receive the
information you were seeking along with other suggestions :-)

===============================================
Guide for Creating an alt.newsgroup
Revised 1 May 1997
index:
First things first:
More useful information:
Information for starting a moderated newsgroup:
An Overview:
Creating your newsgroup:
Example newgroup Proposals
Newsreaders That Will Send a Newgroup Control Message:
Example, newgroup control post; header and body:
Example newgroup Booster
What Comes After:
Follow Up:

First things first:
Download, print out, make a file, and read the following.
(Very important)
http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~barr/alt-creation-guide.html
http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds/usenet/good-newgroup.html

For information on starting a moderated newsgroup read the following
documents.
http://www.swcp.com/~dmckeon/mod-faq.html
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/news/moderated-ng-faq
An Overview:
NO ONE can keep you from creating an alt. newsgroup.
NO ONE can make a Internet Service Provider (ISP) carry your group on
their server.
NO ONE can effectively remove your group, except the Internet service
provider, and then only from his server. Most servers automatically
reject rmgroup messages.
There are no charges for creating a newsgroup nor do you have to
provide any software or storage space on your computer.
Creating a successful alt. newsgroup will take about two-weeks.
Distribution over the usenet system, once created, may take as much as
a month or more. (You should see some results within minutes.)
There are no votes needed for alt.* newsgroups. A charter is not
required but you should provide a description of the groups purpose.
A format familiar to system administrators should be used so that they
can quickly determine if it is of interest to their operation. (That
is the purpose of following the format of the template)
Justification for the group should explain why it is needed. A large
mailing list and/or frequent discussion of your newsgroup subject, in
other newsgroups, should be mentioned.
Post supporting your proposal should be sent to your e-mail address.
NOT alt.config. You can summarize the messages of support in the
justification portion of the control message. In your control.newgroup
message you should mention that the newsgroup was proposed and
discussed in alt.config, giving the date (and ideally the Message-ID)
of the proposal. This information should appear early in the message
since many news administrators, will ignore any newgroup messages that
don't mention alt.config in the first page. ( I suggest putting the
information in the comments portion, in the body, and the
summary field of the header.)
The biggest obstacle you will have to overcome is getting the Internet
service provider, systems administrator, to allow your newsgroup on
their server. Good propagation is second, in importance, only to the
proper creation of your newsgroup and is more difficult to obtain. If
your creation is on one or two servers, out of several thousand, your
creation will fail. That is why following the documents (FAQ's),
while writing the proposal, control and booster post, is important.
Creating your newsgroup:
The group you want to create may already exist. Download and check
 ftp://ftp.uu.net/networking/news/config/ (select newsgroups.z). This
will give you a complete list of alt. newsgroups, and hierarchies, in
existence; not necessarily in use. The list will help you name and
place your newsgroup in the proper hierarchy. (very important)
Creating a newsgroup essentially involves three stages. Writing a
proposal which will be posted to alt.config for discussion. Writing a
control.newgroup post which can be the same as the proposal
except it has control: and approved: fields in the header. Writing
booster post after the newsgroup is created. The booster is exactly
the same as the control.newgroup post except at the beginning of the
message, in the body, after a blank line, the word "booster" is
written. Control and booster post are posted to alt.config and the
newsgroup you are creating. (alt.config,alt.group-name)
The best source of information, concerning the creation of an alt.
Newsgroup, is contained in a document titled "How To Write a Good
Newsgroup Message" by Mr. Brian Edmonds. It can be found at URL
http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds/usenet/good-newgroup.html
Pay particular attention to his "must", "should" and "should not"
instructions.
The document by Mr. David Barr is also strongly recommended;
especially the part about newsgroup naming conventions. Naming your
newsgroup is extremely important. Some news servers cannot work with
improperly named newsgroups because of software limitations . It can
be found at the web URL address
http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~barr/alt-creation-guide.html
The Proposal
When you prepare your newsgroup proposal try to keep the discussion of
the proposal too one screen if possible. A long proposal may not be
read. Use the comments, charter and justification sections of the
template example, below, as a guide. Let your proposal stay on
alt.config, for discussion, about a week. There may be suggestions
for changes. Consider the suggestions carefully. If there are no
suggestions you can assume the proposal is acceptable. Then,
incorporating any changes, you deem necessary, send your newgroup
control post.
==sample proposal to be sent to alt.config for critique (template)==
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: [PROPOSAL] alt.the-name-of-your-newsgroup
Comments: Who you are and what your newsgroup is about.
For your newsgroups file:
newsgroup name A few words describing the newsgroup. One line. Do not
run over.
{Follow the format above exactly; copy the first line "For your
newsgroups file: " verbatim, and on the second line give the name of
the newsgroup, followed by one or more spaces followed by a few words
describing the group. Do not run over the end of the line!)
Charter:
The purpose of the charter is to define what topics are (or are not)
appropriate for the newsgroup, and to state any applicable policies of
the newsgroup (for example, no binaries if the group is not a binary
newsgroup.)
Justification of Readership:
Here you should include numerical evidence that there is substantial
online interest in the topic of the newsgroup. If the topic is covered
by an existing newsgroup, mailing list, or other discussion forum, you
should also explain why the existing forum is no longer adequate for
the purpose.
This also applies to creating a specialized subgroup of a more general
newsgroup; you will need to explain why the split is necessary ("we
don't want to use the general group" is not considered an adequate
reason-- only a high volume of traffic in the general group, and/or a
high percentage of that traffic being on this specific sub-topic, is
considered a valid justification for a split).
===end of sample proposal post to alt.config (template)===
The Free Agent Newsreader
(Agent is essentially the same)
To obtain the required headers with Free Agent you must find the
agent.ini file (agent configure with windows 95 or just agent).
Open the file by clicking on the icon and using notepad.
Find the section labeled [message] and then find ShowAllFields=0.
Change ShowAllFields=0 to ShowAllFields=1.
Save and Close the file.
Close and restart Free Agent.
Click Post on the menu.
Click New Usenet Message.
Click message on the menu
Click on All Fields.
The last action will open a new fields box. In this new box you will
find the new control and approved headers. You can scroll the fields
using the buttons on the right side of the box. To enter data in the
control field highlight the control field by clicking on it. Below
the box you will see a box now marked as Value for control. In this
box enter the control data. Click on the highlighted control again
and the data in the value box will be transferred to the highlighted
control field. Repeat the operation for the approved field and all
fields you wish to change in the box.
The Control Message:
Your proposal has been posted and you have finished making any changes
you deemed needed. You are now ready to send your control.newgroup
message to create the newsgroup. Below you will find a sample
(template) that will help you format that message. You will notice
that the body is almost the same as the proposal was. All that is
changed is the comments: section.
 The focus of this section is the formatting of the headers. You must
have Approved: and Control: fields in the header.
==START OF CONTROL.NEWGROUP TEMPLATE======
======braces are for grouping only. Do not use ====
From: {email address of person sending this message}
Newsgroups: alt.config,{alt.name-of-newsgroup-being-created}
Control: newgroup {name of newsgroup being created}
Subject: cmsg newgroup {name of newsgroup being created}
Summary: discussed in alt.config, substantial interest, appropriate
name
Expires: {this should be left empty, in a newgroup message}
Approved: {email address of person sending this message}
Sender: {email address of person or administrator sending this
message}
Follow up-To: poster {follow ups default to emailing you, instead of
posting}
Reply-To: {email address of person requesting creation of the group}
Distribution: {this header should be empty except for a single space
character; especially don't use "Distribution: world"}
Organization: {your organization or institution may be named here}
Keywords: {here you may include keywords related to the topic of the
group}
Cc: {you may specify email addresses to send a copy of this message
to}
(make sure you have a blank line here, between the header, above, and
the body, below)
Comments:
State the dates (e.g. "during 1/96") was discussed in alt.config, and
who you are in relation to the proposal (especially if you aren't the
original proponent). Many news administrators, will ignore any
newgroup messages that don't mention the posting of the proposal to
alt.config. )

For your newsgroups file:
newsgroup name A few words describing the newsgroup. One line. Do not
run over.
{You must follow the format above exactly; copy the first line
verbatim, and on the second line give the name of the newsgroup,
followed by one or more spaces followed by a few words
describing the group. Do not run over the end of the line!)
Charter:
The purpose of the charter is to define what topics are (or are not)
appropriate for the newsgroup, and to state any applicable policies of
the newsgroup (for example, if the group is "retro-moderated", you
should explain the criteria that will be applied by the moderator or
moderation software.
Justification of Readership:
Here you should include numerical evidence that there is substantial online
interest in the topic of the newsgroup. If the topic is covered by an existing
newsgroup, mailing list, or other discussion forum, you should also explain why
the existing forum is no longer adequate for the purpose.

======END OF CONTROL.NEWGROUP TEMPLATE===
===START OF SAMPLE CONTROL.NEWGROUP MESSAGE====
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.real-estate.aust
Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.real-estate.aust
Control: newgroup alt.real-estate.aust
Followup-To: poster
Approved: wireit @ cyberalink.com.au
Reply-To: wireit @ cyberalink.com.au
Summary: Discussed in alt.config 3/14/98 Message ID
350a0cc1.0 @ cyberalink.com.au
Keywords: real,estate,australia,buy,sell
Comments:
On the 3/14/98 a newgroup suggestion was posted to alt.config,
Message ID 350a0cc1.0 @ cyberalink.com.au
I am the party suggesting this newsgroup to fill a great need.
For your newsgroups file:
alt.real-estate.aust Bringing together buyers & sellers no middle man
Charter:
Appropriate topics are listing for sale by sellers & requests for
purchase for Australian real estate by persons anywhere in the world.
Justification for Readership:
There is a great amount of on line interest in real estate
transactions, as seen by commercial web sites.
Many people would prefer not to expose themselves to professional
sales people, thus this newsgroup should give these people in
Australia & potential international investors, a forum.
===END OF SAMPLE CONTROL.NEWGROUP MESSAGE=======
Cross post your control.newgroup post to alt.config and the group
being creating. Only a comma between the two; no space.
(alt.config,alt.group-name)
 A successful newgroup control post WILL NOT show up in alt.config
even though it was addressed to that group. You will find it in the
CONTROL newsgroup (it may be listed as control.newgroup on your ISP's
server), if the post was successful. There may be 40,000, or more,
post in control so It may be hard to locate. Use your find tool and
If your newsreader has a filter (kill file) you might filter out the
word "cancel" too get rid of most post that are of no interest too
you. Sorting the group by subject can also help. You will have little
trouble finding your control message if your ISP has the
control.newgroup newsgroup.
Every Internet service provider that accepts control.newgroup post
automatically will create your group on that server immediately when
received; or pass the newgroup.control post on to the system
administrator for action.
Always remember; You are addressing systems administrators with your
proposal, control and booster post. They must make quick decisions on
your newsgroup along with many others.
The Booster Messages:
The booster messages are control.newgroup messages.
The only difference you make in the control.newgroup message is to add
the words "booster" in the Summary: and Keywords: fields. Also as the
first words in the body of the control.newgroup body.
There are always new news servers, and system administrators, coming on
line so you should send booster control.newgroup messages from time to
time. I recommend posting a booster about every week for the first
month after your newsgroup is created. Once a month for the next six
months and perhaps once every six months to a year after that.
==START EXAMPLE BOOSTER CONTROL.NEWGROUP MESSAGE===
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.real-estate.aust
Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.real-estate.aust
Control: newgroup alt.real-estate.aust
Followup-To: poster
Approved: wireit @ cyberalink.com.au
Reply-To: wireit @ cyberalink.com.au
Summary: Booster, Discussed in alt.config 3/14/98 Message ID
350a0cc1.0 @ cyberalink.com.au
Keywords: Booster, real,estate,australia,buy,sell
BOOSTER BOOSTERBOOSTER
Comments:
On the 3/14/98 a newgroup suggestion was posted to alt.config,
Message ID 350a0cc1.0 @ cyberalink.com.au
I am the party suggesting this newsgroup to fill a great need.
For your newsgroups file:
alt.real-estate.aust Bringing together buyers & sellers no middle man
Charter:
Appropriate topics are listing for sale by sellers & requests for
purchase for Australian real estate by persons anywhere in the world.
Justification for Readership:
There is a great amount of on line interest in real estate
transactions, as seen by commercial web sites.
Many people would prefer not to expose themselves to professional
sales people, thus this newsgroup should give these people in
Australia & potential international investors, a forum.
==END EXAMPLE BOOSTER CONTROL.NEWGROUP MESSAGE===
Newsreaders That Will Send a Newgroup Control Message:
What none of the FAQ's make clear is that your newsreader may not
have the special header fields needed to send a control post or how to
get those header fields. There MUST be "Control:" and "Approved:"
fields IN the header. Free Agent, Agent and News Xpress
newsreaders can produce these header fields for IBM type PC users. For
Macintosh users the MT-Newswatcher can be used. All the suggested
newsreaders are freeware and can be found at
the URL's following.....
windows 95
http://tucows.texoma.net/adnload/dlfreeagent.html
http://tucows.texoma.net/adnload/dlnxpress.html
windows 3.1
http://tucows.texoma.net/softnews.html#freeagent
http://tucows.texoma.net/adnload/win3x/dlnewsxpress3x.html
Macintosh
http://tucows.texoma.net/mac/adnload/dlmtnwmac.html
To configure the MT-Newswatcher perform the following.
From the menu
click on FILE
click on PREFERENCES
Scroll down to Extra header lines
Type in control:
Type in approved:
Click OKAY

The Free Agent Newsreader
(Agent is essentially the same)
To obtain the required headers with Free Agent you must find the
agent.ini file (agent configure with windows 95 or just agent).
Open the file by clicking on the icon and using notepad.
Find the section labeled [message] and then find ShowAllFields=0.
Change ShowAllFields=0 to ShowAllFields=1.
Save and Close the file.
Close and restart Free Agent.
Click Post on the menu.
Click New Usenet Message.
Click message on the menu
Click on All Fields.
The last action will open a new fields box. In this new box you will
find the new control and approved headers. You can scroll the fields
using the buttons on the right side of the box. To enter data in the
control field highlight the control field by clicking on it. Below
the box you will see a box now marked as Value for control. In this
box enter the control data. Click on the highlighted control again
and the data in the value box will be transferred to the highlighted
control field. Repeat the operation for the approved field and all
fields you wish to change in the box.
The News Xpress Newsreader

The two News Xpress readers are simpler to configure than Free Agent.
New Xpress 1.0 beta # 4 for Windows 3.xx.
Click on Config.
Click on Preferences.
Click on Headers
In the box marked Post headers template type in the
control: and approved: header fields.
Close the box and click Post. Your new fields will now be visible.
News Xpress version 2.0 for Windows 95
Click on File
Click on Options
Click on Compose
In the Template section , in the post headers box, type in the
control: and approved: header fields.
Close the box and select Post from the menu. You will now see the
new control and approved header fields.
What Comes After:
After the control.newgroup post has been sent, and you have confirmed
it was successful, you may get several post similar the one below.
They are for system administrators and you need take no action.
To:
Subject:
From: news @ duey.c4c.com
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 96 20:17:31 +0000
e.Eugene A. Calame <eacalame @ flash.net> @ worldnet.att.net requested that alt.penpals.forty-plus-yrs be
created. To do this, type
the following: /usr/local/news/bin/ctlinnd newgroup alt.penpals.forty-plus-yrs y
e.Eugene A. Calame <eacalame @ flash.net> @ worldnet.att.net

Follow Up:
You have done all the above and you still do not see your newsgroup on
the server of your ISP. Check for new newgroups or refresh your
newsreader
newsgroup list and check again. If it still is not there after a day
or two give your Internet service provider a call and request that it
be added. Usually a post to support @ (your ISP.net) requesting the
newsgroup be added will do the trick.
To get good distribution of the newsgroups encourage all, who would be
interested, to ask their Internet service provider to add the group to
their server. (A polite announcement, of the creation of your
newsgroup, to newsgroups with similar, but specialized interest, would
not be out of order.)

After the new newsgroup has been up and running for a few months, you
should write a review of the group and submit it to
news.groups.reviews. See http://www.superb.net/~islander/ngr/
for information about news.groups.reviews.

Good luck. If you need further help feel free to call on me.
Eugene A. Calame <eacalame @ flash.net>
Austin, Texas USA https://www.angelfire.com/tx/calame


ssooooo
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sooo, how *do* we create a newsgroup?
and if we create it, do we 'run' it or is that taken care of by
something else?
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In article <6r4mci$2bi$1 @ heliodor.xara.net>, "Misc"  wrote:
>ok...
>I want to create a newsgroup. I don't care what it is called (doesn't have
>to be .alt) the name can be as messy as hell for all i care but it must
>exist! Can somebody tell me where you go to make a newsgroup on a server, is
>it that simple... well it should be! I have a deja news Newsgroup, can i
>read this news from my outlook express/ free agent?
>
>Please help!
>
>Regards
>
>Adam Ranson
>
>PS how did u make this newsgroup? & if alt.buttharp can get one why can't i?
>
Just because you can, doesnt mean you should. Put some thought into what you
want to do, the follow the directions for doing it.
_____________________________________
m a r t i n b 1 [a t] h o m e . c o m





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All my subscribed newsgroups are screwed up! They won't load new messages
and when I try to read a message it says message expired.(NO such article)
Help
Chris


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In article , "Chris and Tracy"  wrote:
>All my subscribed newsgroups are screwed up! They won't load new messages
>and when I try to read a message it says message expired.(NO such article)
>
>Help
>Chris

Try to reload the newsrc file from the server.
In OE, in the left window, right click on your news server name, and select
newsgroups. Then when the list pops up, click on "reset list"
_____________________________________
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On Wed, 19 Aug 1998 00:28:58 -0500, "do_it_yourself" do_yourself_kit @ yahoo.com
wrote:
>Anybody knows who manage the misc. ...
>My problem :
> This group seems are under the control of a group of
> immigration lawyers.
>Any other posting that is conflict with their
>business interest are taken out very quickly from
>the newsgroup which those law's posting are
>staying there long.
>I don't know who manage the newsgroup, and if the group
>management block the free speeach right of inividual right.
>e-mail your reply to: do_yourself_kit @ yahoo.com
>
I don't know. As far as I can tell the group is not moderated. Generally no one
controls what goes on a newsgroup unless it is moderated. It may be that
someone is canceling the post that they don't think belong there. It happens.
It is called retro-moderating. To find information on the subject use one of
the search engines for the web.
Check the pseudo newsgroup control, or it may be control.cancel. That is where
you will see the conrol.cancel messages. There are a lot of control.cancel
messages so it will be hard to find what you want.
Eugene A. Calame <eacalame @ flash.net>
Austin, Texas USA https://www.angelfire.com/tx/calame



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On Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:03:19 -0400, "Wild Card"  wrote:
>OK. I visited the link you pointed me to, but when I try to post my cmsg to
>alt.config, I get a message that reads "Error 441. 'Newgroup not a valid
>control' ". The control is formatted as per the instructions but no luck.
>Any ideas?
>
Send me the total message, headers and all, so that I can look at your
control.newgroup message. If I can help I will. I know earthlink.net will
accept control.newgroup messages unless they changed policies in the last few
months.
Eugene A. Calame <eacalame @ flash.net>
Austin, Texas USA 


HOW TO MODERATE A NEWSGROUP

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On Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:03:19 -0400, "Wild Card"  wrote:
>OK. I visited the link you pointed me to, but when I try to post my cmsg to
>alt.config, I get a message that reads "Error 441. 'Newgroup not a valid
>control' ". The control is formatted as per the instructions but no luck.
>Any ideas?
>
Send me the total message, headers and all, so that I can look at your
control.newgroup message. If I can help I will. I know earthlink.net will
accept control.newgroup messages unless they changed policies in the last few
months.
Eugene A. Calame <eacalame @ flash.net>
Austin, Texas USA https://www.angelfire.com/tx/calame



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Not yet, but I'm still in the information gathering stages.
I was considering starting a new newsgroup, but don't even want to think
about it until I know whether or not there is a way to handle abusive
posters.
Reporting them to their ISP's or anyone else doesn't help, so I'm going into
this thing with "guns loaded" so to speak.
There are a couple of NG's that I would volunteer to moderate, but the people
who created them are long gone, or just not speaking up and I wouldn't want
to take something like that on without their approval...sort of an honor
thing.  Besides, if they don't care, why should I?
I think the best solution would be just to start a new newsgroup...but as I
said, I'm not going into it defenseless.
~Niki
The Archiver wrote:
> Nicole Lasher  wrote:
>
> >Does anyone know where I can find a cancel bot for newsgroups?
> >One of those that cancels posts that don't have a pertinent word or term
> >in the subject or text of the message....
>
> Do you have permission to retromoderate any newsgroup (this is what
> this robot would do) ?
>
> The Archvier



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ok, I opened this newsgroup to find out how you moderate a newsgroup
and so far nobodys told me, how do you do it, or is there a site that
does.



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Well, so far you've gotten further than I have. Wud like to know how to
start one, how to moderate it and who has to give the okay - if anyone.
Also how does one get posted to the list and what are the requirements. Is
there some site that one can go to and get all the pertinent info and then
some help with it. Mike



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"a. l. 'mike' rael"  wrote:
>Wud like to know how to start one,
Depending on the hierarchy where you want to create:
Go to the "config"-group there, read the "FAQ" and act.
For "alt"-groups its the "alt.config".
There are FAQs posted frequently. READ them before you ask again.
>how to moderate it
See my previous answer.
For "non-picture"-groups you may want to read the periodical
announcements of Igor Chudov. He has created a web-based moderation
system, too.
> and who has to give the okay - if anyone.
In the alt-hierarchy you need "applause" and no counterparts.
In the BIG-8 you need a formal vote.
>Also how does one get posted to the list and what are the requirements. Is
>there some site that one can go to and get all the pertinent info and then
>some help with it.
http://www.algebra.com/~ichudov/stump/webstump
HTH
The Archiver



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phillip @ corryong.albury.net.au (Barcoo Rot) wrote:
>ok, I opened this newsgroup to find out how you moderate a newsgroup
>and so far nobodys told me, how do you do it, or is there a site that
>does.
You can visit the public moderation site for ABPEAP. There are some
documents worth to read:
http://abpeap.i3w.com
Please dont fool around with this system !
There is the "moderators handbook" available in the WWW, too.
HTH
The Archiver
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